The Samovar

Scott #122 - different paper?

oldteddy - 2/27/2009 at 22:16

Two stamps are shown on the scan below - a "normal" 4-kop and one that appears on much thinner transparent paper. Both have vertical grids of chalk lines. Paper structures are different - see fragments under high resolution (2400 dpi).



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jlechtanski - 2/28/2009 at 20:13

Mayorov does not list any paper variety for the 4k imperf in his catalog. He does, however, list the 4k perf on 0.07 mm paper in used condition only.

As a reference, he values the basic stamp as 1, and the 0.07 mm at 250.


oldteddy - 2/28/2009 at 20:47

Is it possible to get more information about that catalog? Like title, publisher, price, may be a seller it's available from and a short summary of what is in it in comparison with other catalogs.

jlechtanski - 2/28/2009 at 22:06

http://www.uflib.ufl.edu/UFDC/UFDC.aspx?c=ros1&m=hd52&i=1475...

It was being sold by the Canadian Society of Russian Philately as part of their Journal Fund.

http://www.uflib.ufl.edu/UFDC/UFDC.aspx?c=ros1&m=hd81&i=1475...

Here's the entry from the APS Library: (click on FULL DISPLAY)
http://www.stamps.org/InmagicGenie/opac_report.aspx?ReportNa...

Suggestion

Unhinged - 3/1/2009 at 16:23

Quote: Originally posted by oldteddy  
Is it possible to get more information about that catalog? Like title, publisher, price, may be a seller it's available from and a short summary of what is in it in comparison with other catalogs.


Would this be something useful to have available on this site? A list of known cataloges and what makes them special. I've seen many different names bandied about here, but know zero to nothing about any of them, except Scott and Michelin.

Just a thought, in case anyone wants to run with it.

Jeff - 3/1/2009 at 19:02

Michel - Michelin does maps and tires...:)

Unhinged - 3/1/2009 at 20:18

Quote: Originally posted by Jeff  
Michel - Michelin does maps and tires...:)


Oops. So sorry. As they say these days, my bad. Truth be told, I've never actually seen one, so I'm a bit of a tyro even there.

I do have a 1968 Minkus Poland catalog, though. Does that count?

GregMirsky - 3/2/2009 at 01:23

Actually we have Mayorov catalog in the Rossica library too. It covers varieties of Imperial Russian stamps. Published in the USSR in 1989. Please contact me directly if you need it.

David Jay - 3/4/2009 at 02:02

There are a huge number of varieties for the arms stamps issued from 1917 on, because of the chaotic conditions at the time. Both of these show the normal vertical weave to the paper (it was horizontal in 1909-1911, vertical from 1912 forward). The thinner paper looks like it got less of a chalk coating, in addition to being thinner (or perhaps as one of the reasons for its thinness).

Paper thickness of 4K

cec71 - 3/20/2009 at 10:04

It is noted the Mayorov catalogue lists the "thin" 4K at 0.70 mm. I measured a number of the 4K used. Most are 0.064 to to 0.068 mm. With a less precise micrometer precise the 0.068 would be measured at 0.07mm. Possibly the 0.064 could also be measured 0.70. If 0.070 is the unusual "thin paper" what is the "basic" paper thickness. I doubt I have in my collection only the unusual thin paper stamps. Something does not make sense here!