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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 12:18


A warning to everyone exhibiting at the Petersburg 2007 stamp show stating that, according to current Russian law, they will not be allowed to take their collection out of Russia after the exhibition.
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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 12:41


I think a warning is overly harsh, an article describing the law and what effect it could have on exhibitors with contact information for relevant resources, I.e. commissioner email, Ministry of Culture e-mail, Customs info and contact info…etc.
We arm them with info and let them decide for themselves, we have to inform them on the risk!!!
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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 12:49


Should we inform the insurance companies or do you think they already know that law?
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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 12:53


I THINK YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
At least we should have every exhibiting member call and confirm (in writing) that they are covered for replacement value not cat. value.

What if the coverage does not cover…………?????????????????????????? What a nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 18:00


I know these members are exhibiting. Notify them of the horrible situation and consequences.

Ed Laveroni
Thomas Berger
Dave Skipton
Jeff Radcliffe
Vesma Grinfelds
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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 18:51


Mr. Combs, your sarcasm is noted. Your inaction is a statement of your position.
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[*] posted on 4/2/2007 at 19:25


If Jeff is exhibiting I would like to hear his opinion. Also what if any precausions has he taken?
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[*] posted on 4/3/2007 at 06:50


Seems to me that it would be like walking on thin ice. If it broke the water below would be very cold and might be a lot deeper than expected!
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[*] posted on 4/3/2007 at 09:56


Jeff's exhibit is the journal. It is a society exhibit and I do not expect to see it back which is normal for literature competitions.
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[*] posted on 4/3/2007 at 11:42


Gary must have misunderstood my concern is only for exhibits that have stamps or postal history that fall under the law and could be ceased by local authorities when trying to bring them home after the show.
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[*] posted on 4/3/2007 at 12:39


It would be nice to know the titles of Rossica members' exhibits.
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[*] posted on 4/4/2007 at 11:24


Just to counter any sillyness in this thread: I'm just curious what people will be exhibiting in St.Petersburg. I fully understand that I'm asking about Rossica State Secrets, sorry! I'm also deeply moved by the support for exhibiting in the toughest arena (an FIP international) that the Rossica leadership displays. With such support, is it any wonder that exhibitions everywhere are inundated with Russian exhibits? I look forward to a massive Rossica presence at the pan-Slavic in Chicago this Fall. And who knows, there might also be some Russian exhibits there.
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[*] posted on 4/4/2007 at 23:09


If the Rossica journal does not wish to publish a brief article on this topic explaining the situation in a neutral (welcome to Switzerland) but informative way. Then I propose an attempt to have Linn’s publish a prepared article and will sign it Rossica members. Who will collaborate?
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[*] posted on 4/5/2007 at 02:18


You can count me in! Anatoly Chlenov
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[*] posted on 4/5/2007 at 13:47


Would be glad to know the URL for the St Petersburg 2007 "website" mentioned earlier.
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[*] posted on 4/5/2007 at 13:57


SPb 2007 web site

http://uncsodeistvie.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi...

Web site for the Manezh, show location

http://www.manege.spb.ru/
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[*] posted on 4/5/2007 at 17:28


Gary,

Thank you for that. Some very welcome information in there.
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[*] posted on 4/5/2007 at 19:15


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If the Rossica journal does not wish to publish a brief article on this topic explaining the situation in a neutral (welcome to Switzerland) but informative way. Then I propose an attempt to have Linn’s publish a prepared article and will sign it Rossica members. Who will collaborate?


I'm not sure what made you think a brief article could not be published?
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[*] posted on 4/5/2007 at 19:24


I apologize I requested several times and no one ever responded. I assumed there was no interest. I will stay objective about the subject matter. If you will consider I will write and email you a draft.
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[*] posted on 4/6/2007 at 07:05


Yes, but this late in the production cycle it would need to be short
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[*] posted on 5/12/2007 at 12:22


http://uncsodeistvie.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi...
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[*] posted on 5/16/2007 at 17:07


Hi
As I am one of the five Rossica members who will exhibit his material in St. Petersburg I would like to join the discussion.

My collection deals with czaristic registered items, the material is therefore older than 50 years and is therefore subject to the regulations dealing with the cultural treasures of Russia. However, during all international collections in the USSR and Russian Federation this material was handled as if it is never touching Russian ground. It is going with your comissioneer sealed from the customs to the show room, is placed in the frames and after the show leaves the country the same way. I assume you will not have problems when you are using this way to let it bring in and out of the country. This may be different if you are sending it in by mail or if you take it with you.

I see the discussion from a totally different points. International shows in Russia are not very frequent. Every ten to twenty years. If I am a collector of Russian postal history and if I have to chance to present and discuss my collection with knowledgeable people from Russia itself, this is a possibility I do not have and will not have for a long time. It would be a shame if I would not go there with my collection.

Ciao, Thomas Berger
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[*] posted on 5/16/2007 at 17:49


Hi Thomas,
Great to hear you will be exhibiting. I enjoyed seeing your collection on the EXPONET website. Good luck!
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[*] posted on 5/16/2007 at 18:22


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As I am one of the five Rossica members who will exhibit his material in St. Petersburg I would like to join the discussion.

My collection deals with czaristic registered items, the material is therefore older than 50 years and is therefore subject to the regulations dealing with the cultural treasures of Russia. However, during all international collections in the USSR and Russian Federation this material was handled as if it is never touching Russian ground. It is going with your comissioneer sealed from the customs to the show room, is placed in the frames and after the show leaves the country the same way. I assume you will not have problems when you are using this way to let it bring in and out of the country. This may be different if you are sending it in by mail or if you take it with you.

I see the discussion from a totally different points. International shows in Russia are not very frequent. Every ten to twenty years. If I am a collector of Russian postal history and if I have to chance to present and discuss my collection with knowledgeable people from Russia itself, this is a possibility I do not have and will not have for a long time. It would be a shame if I would not go there with my collection.

Ciao, Thomas Berger


The objection was never to dissuade anyone from showing (OK maybe a little but only on my part), but inform of the risk. Speaking only for myself I would not, and have voiced such opinion openly.

Again my issue was with informing openly the dangers of such participation and bring to light an intrusive stance into personal property laws Russia practices and we here enjoy.

Good luck on the competition I am sure the folk at SPB2007 will enjoy it.
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[*] posted on 5/16/2007 at 18:58


Great point, Thomas! Also, thank you very much for a detailed explanation of procedures. I am sure everything will go well. Good luck!
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