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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 17:10
Saratov Birzha


This is not for sale. It is not on sale on eBay. This is not an investment opportunity. It is not to be found in any catalog of which I am aware. I am not trashing an established seller or even insulting a potential buyer. Did I cover all the bases to prevent a negative response from the peanut gallery?:hoho

This is a simple question about where information can be found about a postmark. Sorry! I realize that this may be a bit out of line with the more active voices, but I think t is about philately.

I can find what this may be in the 1916 Postal List, but in no other sources I have. HELP!!!!

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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 17:38


Birzha means stock market, or not?
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 18:21


There was also a Samara-Birzha in the 1913 PO list.
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 18:23


And in the days of NEP, a Tambov Birzha also had its own postmark until the late 1920s.
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 18:25


Are duck stamps valid for postage? I bought this stamp in the postoffice, but it doesn't say "postage" on it... Can I still use it on letters?
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 18:44


The Saratov, Samara and Tambov guberniyas were adjacent to each other.

Was birzha some kind of regional terminology?
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 18:49


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Are duck stamps valid for postage? I bought this stamp in the postoffice, but it doesn't say "postage" on it... Can I still use it on letters?


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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 19:36


Amen!
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 20:12


If you cannot add any philatlic knowledge, please remain silent. Thanks
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 20:40


Ha-ha-ha :hoho
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 22:23


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If you cannot add any philatlic knowledge, please remain silent. Thanks

Philatelic knowledge like "YAHOO"? Or references to the tabloid press?

Lead by example, Gary.
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 22:33


In BJRP 94/95 (2006, p.59), Jack Moyes illustrates a lovely registered letter with the same postmark, dated 9 December 1895.
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 23:45


Gary has posted a really nice item. The office is not listed (as far as I can see) in the compilation of post offices that we have from Anatoly Kirushkin. It is not in my 1916 Spisok. This wouldn't be out of the ordinary -- there were lots of
offices in drug stores and hotels that were not official imperial post offices, even if the had cancellers - but this one claims to be a P.T.K. What's going on here?
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[*] posted on 5/17/2007 at 23:54


The only explanation I can think of is that this is the office listed as SARATOV 1 GPTK in the 1916 postal list. I guess Saratov was one of those places that sometimes gave a name (rather than a number) to its town "sub"-offices. Incidentally, a GPTK (gorodskaya pochtovo-telegrafnaya kontora) must be a pretty unusual beast: most town "sub"-offices were GPTOs.
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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 01:33


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The only explanation I can think of is that this is the office listed as SARATOV 1 GPTK in the 1916 postal list. I guess Saratov was one of those places that sometimes gave a name (rather than a number) to its town "sub"-offices. Incidentally, a GPTK (gorodskaya pochtovo-telegrafnaya kontora) must be a pretty unusual beast: most town "sub"-offices were GPTOs.


In the Russian edition of the Wikipedia one can find
an article dedicated to Telberg Georgii Gustavovich,
Russian scientist and Minister of Finance in
Kolchak Government.

In this article one can read that his father
Telberg Gustav Ivanovich was the
director of the Saratov Stock Exchange Post Office.
And so, Saratov Stock Exchange had its own post office.
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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 06:23


According to the 1915 Postal Guide:

I wonder if the "m" was a typo?

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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 15:53


At the WSRP site, Anatoly Kiryushkin has an illustration he calls "Saratov 1 (Stock exchange)."

Shown here for information only.

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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 16:02


There is another sampl of Saratov town post 2 postmark. Tere is no name, just the number. But it is double-ring type and 1916.

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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 16:10


Just for comparison. Samara-Birzha was a town post sub-office/

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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 16:12


But Astrakhan-Birzha was a post-telegraph office.

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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 16:51


Lovely covers! Did Tambov also have a Birzha office in the Imperial period or was that a 1920s innovation?
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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 17:07


I've never seen Tambov-Birzh for Imperial period.
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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 17:13


Tambov had only one P.T.O.
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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 17:16


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Just for comparison. Samara-Birzha was a town post sub-office/


Excellent. Seems the kontora status changed to otdelenie sometime between 1895-1909 and back to kontora by late 1914.


Samara, not Saratov.
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[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 17:17


Yep! deleted it.
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