The Samovar
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: red censor cancel??
j wiseman
Major Philatelist
***




Posts: 140
Registered: 5/21/2003
Location: indiana usa
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood.

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 10:05
red censor cancel??


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&...

Why is this cover cancelled with a red censor marking? Is this rare? JW
View user's profile View All Posts By User
j wiseman
Major Philatelist
***




Posts: 140
Registered: 5/21/2003
Location: indiana usa
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood.

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 10:07
red censor cancel


Seems that the listing on this cover has been cancelled. JW
View user's profile View All Posts By User
IvoSteijn
Major Philatelist
***




Posts: 381
Registered: 11/2/2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: philatelic

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 10:53


Those I've seen before. The Irkutsk censor apparently cancelled the stamps with his censor marking if there was no postmark on the cover, or, as in this case, if the postmark missed cancelling the stamps. Not rare, but certainly unusual.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Gary
Deceased
****




Posts: 2356
Registered: 10/18/2002
Location: USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 11:35


Looks like a Speeckaert Type 2, Common, to me.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
achlenov
Banned





Posts: 470
Registered: 5/16/2004
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: Optimistic

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 11:42


Gary, please show us 5 examples, if you think it's common :hoho
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Gary
Deceased
****




Posts: 2356
Registered: 10/18/2002
Location: USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 11:59


Common is from Tony's work. If you think he is crazy, tell him.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
IvoSteijn
Major Philatelist
***




Posts: 381
Registered: 11/2/2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: philatelic

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 12:07


Whether the censor marking is common or not is pretty irrelevant. This cover is distinguished by the censor marking cancelling the stamps. It's about the 5th example I've seen. In 24 years.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
achlenov
Banned





Posts: 470
Registered: 5/16/2004
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: Optimistic

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 12:16


I have great respect for Mr. Speackaert, so please don't put your words in my mouth. I don't appreciate that.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Alep
Major Philatelist
***




Posts: 384
Registered: 5/21/2005
Location: Estonia
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 13:01


The practice of cancelling stamps by censors is known also from other places, e.g. Odessa. See also Levin in Rossica No. 144 who attributes such cancellations to 'mutes'.

Censor's cancel.jpg - 54kB
View user's profile View All Posts By User
achlenov
Banned





Posts: 470
Registered: 5/16/2004
Location: California
Member Is Offline

Mood: Optimistic

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 14:06


Would that depend on the period? Say, if it was done in August of 1914 then yes, ok, it's a legitimate mute with a purpose of concealing the identity of the dispatch post office. But if it's much later, then is it really a mute?
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
IvoSteijn
Major Philatelist
***




Posts: 381
Registered: 11/2/2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: philatelic

[*] posted on 5/18/2007 at 17:41


As "mutes" these censor markings are a bit of a failure, since they usually state the location of the censor.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User

  Go To Top

Powered by XMB 1.9.11
XMB Forum Software © 2001-2017 The XMB Group
[Queries: 17]