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[*] posted on 12/2/2009 at 01:02
Some kind of Bank Transfer? Help?


Im kind of new to the world of Russian covers but I found this in alocal bourse. Can anyone explain what I have here? Common. thanks so Much! It looked intriguing.:hoho



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[*] posted on 12/2/2009 at 19:30


I do hope someone comments, as I'm not so sure you have something common here.

1. How long were such updated cards used? The crossing out of the old address and the new one stamped on shouldn't have gone on forever. Perhaps it did, however. What do I know?

2. What's the story of the upside-down 6k Gerbovaya marka? What, if any, is the significance of the red ink used to hand cancel it?

3. Why was it received by someone other than the addressee? Was it a relative?

4. As I've never been good at deciphering old Russian written text, just what does that blurb of blue of say?
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[*] posted on 12/2/2009 at 20:23


The stamp on the back is a revenue -- a tax on the money transfer. The revenue depicts a sailor and is denominated 6 gold kopecs in several languages.

The bank is Gosbank - the one and only bank in the USSR. It looks like a change to a different part of the bank. From the Moscow Office of the State Bank of the USSR to the State Bank Board. Notice that "Moscow Office" is also crossed out on the back.
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[*] posted on 12/6/2009 at 19:33


As I understand it, these things arose because the ruble was not exchangeable, so money could only be sent to Soviet citizens (and many desperately needed it to buy food and other necessities) by the mechanism documented here. The card originated in Moscow, was sent to the post office of the recipient of the cash, and then back to Moscow. If I'm reading the dates correctly, this one was canceled on the front 2 Sept 1926 and then was back in Moscow 19 Sept 1926. Can't read the date when it was received at the PO of the recipient. The state had lots of ways of fleecing the poor recipient, via the exchange rate, via the postage and then also by requiring the revenue stamp. The earlier examples do not have the revenue stamp. Whether this reflects a change in the charges, or just what stamps represented the charges, I don't know.

As to there commonness -- well there are many varieties of usages and forms, and one sometimes sees either great cancels (e.g., of the Soviet Mobile Post offices) or presumably uncommon stamps (I have yet to find one...). However, the basic item is pretty common. About 25 yrs ago, I once about several hundred of them for about $0.50 each, picked them, and sold them for slightly more, but well under $1.00. Wish I had kept more -- I'm sure I missed a lot.
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[*] posted on 12/7/2009 at 13:58


Here are some older articles of J. Lee Shneidman and Dr Ceresa from the Rossica Journal regarding the subject:

http://ufdcweb1.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?&i=6141&m=hd53J

http://ufdcweb1.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?m=hd66J&i=6137

http://ufdcweb1.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?&i=6137&m=hd69J
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[*] posted on 12/7/2009 at 14:22


Just a note of Great thanks to all who replied!! Kind of a cultural tale here. I feel better now when I call my own country "Amerikanski"! It seems to me these bureaucratic frustrations have been for all time and all peoples! Hazah! for the bureaucrats!!
:hop:hopSeriously, Thanks folks!
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[*] posted on 4/3/2010 at 09:34
revenue varieties


These revenue stamps were issued in a least 2 different types but I have not seen much by way of analysing scarcity of useage so it is worth identifying the type of the revenue stamp and also keeping an eye out for more examples. For obvious reasons they turn up somewhat more frequently inside Russia than out.
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[*] posted on 4/3/2010 at 15:41


davpot -- I sent you U2U
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