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[*] posted on 8/20/2003 at 20:08
1902 vs. 1905


As most of us know, 1902-1905 1-7 kop issues have two distinct background varieties. It would be VERY helpful if anybody would post HERE a few good ENLARGED colored scans of those varieties. I think THREE pairs would do:

1: 1902/1905 pair with significantly shifted background
2: 1902/1905 pair with slightly shifted background
3: 1902/1905 pair with not shifted - or very little shifted - background.

I have problems telling those varieties (issues) from each other (may be somebody else too) and additional pictures would help.
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[*] posted on 8/20/2003 at 23:05


OK. This is a good one... To bring everybody on the same page, here is some context for this question.
We are talking about thirteenth issue of Imperial Russia. (Scott 55-57). First issue of 1902 had the shape of the background inherited from previous issues of Imperial Russia. It had a background with corners.
In 1905 it was changed and new cliche for the background was used. The four corners of the background were eliminated. I scanned illustration and inverted colors to make this more visible. See attached image. Left image is for 1902 background, right one - for 1905.

1902_1905Bgnds.jpg - 198kB
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[*] posted on 8/20/2003 at 23:18


To continue... Examples:
1. Left stamp- 1902 background with very strong shift.

2. Central stamp - 1902 background with slight shift.

3. Right stamp one - 1905 background with slight shift.

1902_1905Bgnds7Kop.jpg - 136kB
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[*] posted on 8/20/2003 at 23:32
More difficult case


Greg, could you show two examples of stamps (1902 side by side with 1905) with no or almost no shift and how to identify them - if it's possible at all?
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[*] posted on 8/21/2003 at 01:08


I would say if there is no shift - it is almost impossible. It is possible with even very slight shift. See example below:
Left stamp is 1902 type. If you look at lower left corner under the circle you can see how corner of background fills in white line of the frame.
Right stamp is 1905. Background shifted up a little bit, but you don't see simular picture. It is shifted, but there are no signs of corners there.

1902_1905Bgnds1Kop.jpg - 83kB
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[*] posted on 8/21/2003 at 05:58
Case closed


Thanks, Greg, this should do.
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biggrin.gif posted on 8/24/2003 at 22:44
I want more!


Greg the 1905 issues have been driving me crazy.

Could you please provide a scan of the 2k, 3k, 5k and 7k next to the the ones issued in 1902. My problem lies with the colour varieties as noted by Lobachevsky. I have them all, but maybe some are actually 1905 issue??? (except the metallic sheen var. which are obvious).

The S-K catalogue only lists a single colour. Are there colour varieties of the 1905 issues as well?

Thanks for your help.

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sad.gif posted on 11/21/2003 at 20:20
I'm still mystified


Greg could you please reply to my previous query. Thanks!
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