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Dr. Ray Ceresa
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[*] posted on 9/27/2003 at 10:30
Northwest Army Forgeries on eBay


No one, Rosssica, BSRP, etc. member should be fooled by the stamps currently offered under eBay Nos. 2952771346 and 2952771725. These offerings are VIOLET hand stamps on imperf arms types never used for this issue, even as recorded trials, such as the 15 k. imperf, 35 k. imperf and 70 k. imperf. This forgery is not listed in my 1981 handbook (Vol.3, Parts 1 & 2) and I believe it to be a relatively new production but I could be wrong. Has any member copies of this forgery from other and earlier sources. It could be said that these are not forgeries but BOGUS stamps since there is no record of there ever having been genuine examples as VIOLET handstamps on these specific imperf arms types. When last seen bidding was up in the high $18.00 range.
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Dr. Ray Ceresa
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[*] posted on 10/2/2003 at 17:14


A last minute bidder took the price higher in winning these lots. When advised of forgery status was very appreciative, wants to learn from his mistakes & I believe contin ued future contact and assistance could lead to a new Rossica member. Perhaps contacting winning bidders of Russian items in our specific fields of interest, (genuine, forged or bogus) and offers of help, (by way of information, swops, literature, etc.), is a way to bring new members to the Society.
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thumbdown.gif posted on 10/3/2003 at 08:24


The thought has merit, but it violates an eBay policy. We do not need Rossica getting in trouble. The policy from eBay is below.

eBay Policy
Members are not allowed to interfere with another member's transaction.
Members may not contact a seller and offer to purchase a listed item outside of eBay.
Members are not permitted to email buyers in an open or completed transaction to warn them away from a seller or item.
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MICHAEL MACKENZIE
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[*] posted on 10/3/2003 at 14:04


It doesn't appear to me that Dr. Ceresa's suggestion violates any of those policies.

My take on the suggestion is that Rossica offers it services to winning bidders. The services that are listed on the home page of this web-site.:D
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[*] posted on 10/3/2003 at 14:19


True, if the contact made does not talk about the item or seller.

There is another eBay policy:

Misuse of the Contact an eBay Member Feature - eBay allows members to facilitate transactions through the Contact an eBay Member feature.

This is under their area on unsolicited email.

Just to be safe, let me send them a direct question this weekend and see what eBay replies. I will post that correspondence here.
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[*] posted on 10/9/2003 at 17:08
As promised


Here is my message to eBay:
From: gcombs@cablespeed.com
Date: Sat Oct 4, 2003 4:11:59 PM US/Eastern
To: gcombs@cablespeed.com
Subject: Misuse of Contact an eBay Member


Topics > eBay Policies > Rules for Everyone > Unwelcome Email > Misuse of Contact an eBay Member

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Message: If our stamp club sees that a particular person is buying material that relates to the club's activities, is it allowed to use the eBay member contact capability to ask if they might be interested in our philatelic society? Or is this considered "unwelcome Email?"

Thanks

Gary Combs"
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Here is eBay's repsonse:
From: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp@ebay.com>
Date: Thu Oct 9, 2003 11:16:45 AM US/Eastern
To: Gary Combs <gcombs@cablespeed.com>
Subject: Re: IV%P10001 Misuse of Contact an eBay Member #US (KMM92378571V14038L0KM)
Reply-To: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp@ebay.com>

Hello,

I appreciate you notifying SafeHarbor with your concern.

If you send a message like you are describing straight through are
contact a member system the message would be considered unwelcome email.
However, eBay does a section of our community called eBay groups. If you
create a eBay group for your club you are allowed to send invitations to
join your group through the eBay groups site.

You can learn more about eBay groups by going to our site and clicking
community at the top right then selecting eBay groups under the people
section.

Thank you for being part of the eBay community.

Regards,

Alec
eBay SafeHarbor
Investigations Team
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So, we can do it! Now I need a volunteer to follow up on this and make it happen. Hint, hint!!:o
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