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[*] posted on 2/23/2014 at 23:05
Scott 46 or 55 on non laid paper


See scans. This stamp is printed on neither horizontal nor vertical laid paper. The EZGB Cyrillic is not present.

The paper has a obvious vertical appearing mesh similar to the later issues of Scott 73 onward. However the mesh holes are larger and more round as seen in the scan. Paper measures 0.070 mm.

I cannot find any reference to either Scott 46 or 55 being printed on this paper. Does not appear to be a forgery but it is possible.

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[*] posted on 2/23/2014 at 23:07
The front of the stamppreviously described


see scan of front

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[*] posted on 2/24/2014 at 17:31


Scott # 46, 1 kop., issue on horizontally laid paper.

Variety known: stamp on paper without visible horizontal lines.

My personal opinion: Stamps, having similar small sizes and printed on the place where letters "ЭЗГБ" of the watermark are present, can be found with hardly visible vertical or horizontal lines.

I think, I can recognize part of such letters on your stamp back image.
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[*] posted on 2/24/2014 at 22:49
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Thank you for the reply.

Looking at this stamp with both watermark fluid and with the Spectroscope I can detect neither horizontal nor vertical lines nor EZGB letters.

Any thoughts on the paper with the prominent vertical appearing mesh?
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[*] posted on 2/25/2014 at 09:20


Quote: Originally posted by cec71  

Any thoughts on the paper with the prominent vertical appearing mesh?


Usual paper, used on similar and lately issued stamps with or without watermark, has those (vertical or horizontal depending on the issue) "mesh"....

I prefer words "cells" or "combs".
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[*] posted on 3/18/2014 at 00:00


This gets back to the paper making process. You will see see arms issues back to the 2, 7 and 8k of the 1870s that are like this. If you look at a normal horizontal (or vertical) laid paper stamp carefully, you will see a weave which is less prominent than the laid paper (which is a watermark). The weave comes from the screen on which the paper is manufactured. For a horizontally laid paper stamp, you will see vertical weave (as here). If vertically laid, you see horizontal weave.
The laid lines are absent, if the wire mesh holding the watermark (a construct of wire) wasn't cleaned properly.
The fun comes in trying to find the horizontal weave for the stamps of the 1870s -- these are vertically laid paper stamps w/o the laid lines, so quite scarce. Generally, they did a better job in later years, so it is hard to find examples like what you have here, on the posthorns with thunderbolts issues (HL and VL).
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[*] posted on 3/20/2014 at 08:10
Watermarked paper


David, thank you. I have an article from the Canadian Journal of Philately, issue unknown, entitled "Is The paper Wove? Or Is It Laid and Watermarked" by Alex Artuchov. Expands on your explanation. Further, in the Samovar you discussed this on a post dated 12/19/2008. Have found both the 7 and 8 K stamps; thus far not the 2K.

This exchange is a pleasure and is an example of the value of the Samovar to the members of Rossica. Too bad the Samovar is not utilized more fully.
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[*] posted on 3/21/2014 at 12:37


Thank you -- glad it was helpful. There is also a later article in Rossica. It is a reprint of a 1930s article from, I think, the Stamp Lover. I obtained it through a request to the APS library, and Rossica was nice enough to print it. It explains about the screen that does the wove part and then the other side, which does the watermark. Don't recall which issue, but early 1990s.
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