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[*] posted on 11/9/2015 at 02:33
Fakes eminating from Russia


The latest issue of Rossica was terrific, from the wonderfully kitschy
poster on the cover to the various articles, like Howard Weinart's on Tashkent postal history. What got my attention though, was the article on the fakes of the Leningrad siege material -- given the cost to the Russian people of the siege, faking this stuff does seem like an affront. It fits right in with the tsunami of fake stuff on eBay from various sellers in Russia proper. EBay will do nothing, so all one can do is ignore it, unless one wants to spend enough money to make a case in public, as was done in the Leningrad article. It is also interesting that Rossica has gone public with a "name and shame" approach. The last time I recall this happening was with the Sheynberg fakes. Anyway, congratulations to the parties involved in exposing this sort of thing.
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[*] posted on 11/13/2015 at 13:44


Hear, hear. And well-documented, too.

There's an absolute flood of fake postmarks, fake overprints, fake proofs and fake printing varieties coming from a trio of sellers in Moscow that I find particularly annoying and it makes me sad that a lot of it sells to optimist buyers...
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[*] posted on 11/13/2015 at 17:05


Here are items from several Russian sellers:

from po.dorojnik_8 in Kazan:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-GEORGIA-1914-card-Railroad-TP...

Most of what he sells seems pretty complicated to fake, but I don't understand why some items like this one start very cheap (even though they are very rare, if real), while other more common items are more expensive. In general though, the items listed seem to have enough warts to be real.

msphilately1939 has a bunch of stuff like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIA-1914-PATRIOTE-STAMS-COLOR-PRO...

Presumably much of this is faked

dmitry2978 from Odessa has a bunch of expensive Far eastern republic, but I can't judge its validity:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Far-Eastern-Republic-Postcard-se...

Then there is avm2277 from Kirov. He has some unusual reg'd letters, including from rare locations, plus a lot
of seals and zemstvo stuff that would be easy to fake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-Moscow-registered-cover-776-t...

I see enough warts that most things I can judge look OK.

gelahome from St Petersburg has some very expensive items with Russian language certs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-Russia-Sc-149a-Mi-149U-Zag-1Pa-...

Can't judge these, but some classical items look good.

ruserg_ruyg5o from Kirov has stuff that looks OK>

I can't find right now the most obvious Moscow faker -- perhaps he has nothing up at the moment.

Finally, there is the homegrown 6654alexm from Berkeley. He has had a whole series of bogus imperfs of early
Russian stamps in the 1865-1883 issues. For the ones in the range of Scott #19-28, you can see in Mikulski's
description of early Russian imperfs that neither of the ones he offered came from a known sheet. He has been
asking $25-50,000. Hope no one falls for this. I've contacted him (unskakeable in his lack of logic about the items)
and reported him numerous times. Nothing happens.

Then there is the guy with the Ustysolsk Zemstvo.....



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[*] posted on 11/14/2015 at 13:23


dmitry2978's Far Eastern Republic material is fine. I don't think I've ever seen him offer a fake for sale.

msphilately1939 is one of the trio of Moscow sellers that I mentioned. The others are georgiy4129 and alex78_2012. A seemingly unending stream of fakes from these three. The fake proofs are particularly annoying as they look good enough to be real, and sell for respectable sums.

And let's be clear: this is not a "all sellers from russia are selling fakes" thread! From po_dorojnik for example I've only seen very interesting and almost certainly completely genuine material.
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[*] posted on 11/14/2015 at 14:52


I agree!
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[*] posted on 11/24/2015 at 17:52


I have known this gentleman - po.dorojnik_8 in Kazan' - for some time and consider him a friend. I have corresponded with him, spoken with him, purchased material from him, and a more honest and generous person you will not meet. He's a Rossica member, and he would be mortified if he sold anything faked or forged. Some of his better material he puts up for sale at a very low start price, knowing that the bidding will head north in a big hurry, and most of the time, it does. He's good people.

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[*] posted on 11/25/2015 at 12:16


David -- thank you for providing this info. It is hard to find one's way through the various Russian sellers. I will
give his material more attention in the future.
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[*] posted on 11/25/2015 at 16:04


Adding my voice to the praise for po_dorojnik in Kazan. A gentleman!
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[*] posted on 11/26/2015 at 06:05


I second the good comments about po_dorojnik in Kazan. Very good communication and he is obviously passionated by the material he sells (some really great stuff, which at first was quite surprising - hence initially rigging the alarm bell - to see on Ebay).

I have also bought from avm2277 from Kirov and have no complaints. I did not checked his Ebay sales thoroughly though, but from what I quickly saw he is another good seller.

Regarding the flood of fakes RSFSR/USSR "proofs" from some sellers, it is a real pity that so many buyers fall on the trap. Seeing a continuous flow of such items over months, they should realize that something is fishy in the Kingdom of ebay.

As always, knowledge is power and an informed philatelist is always a few steps ahead for the good deal, even on Ebay.

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[*] posted on 11/26/2015 at 14:02


OK, here is a good example of what we need to be concerned about from msphilately1939:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-1914-Aleksandrovsk-Kostiantyn...

This particular example seems to be a bad copy of the illustration in K&R for TPO 174, right down to the date.

Here is a slightly clearer rip-off of the K&R TPO 330 illustration:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-1918-Biysk-Altai-postal-vagon...

And here is a rip-off of the Station Bogdanovich mark:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-1918-Bogdanovich-station-Post...
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[*] posted on 11/28/2015 at 20:08


In an interesting development, both msphilately1939 and alex78_2012 are now no longer registered users and all their items have disappeared from the listings. Of the trio I mentioned, only georgiy4129 is still selling his forged garbage.

I don't know what happened, but whatever it was, great!
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[*] posted on 11/29/2015 at 01:35


Ah, but they have been replaced by "moscowlive" -- once again, copying K&R right down to the date. Can't they
be energetic enough to at least change the date, even by just shuffling around the numbers a bit???

This is a very scarce TPO 312:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-Russia-Postmarks-Postal-Vagon-3...
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[*] posted on 12/5/2015 at 14:13


The "fake proof" business seems to have moved to Bulgaria and seller lz2pep2011. Incidentally, this seller states he is selling his material for a "Moscow seller" so my bet is he's just a front for one of the banned Moscow sellers...
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[*] posted on 12/9/2015 at 00:18


Well, here's another faker, from Poland this time: nordis161

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-1922-Philately-for-Children-2...
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