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[*] posted on 10/11/2003 at 17:06
hold to light cards


These cards are hard to find, yet I am not aware of much literature about them. Can any member add to our knowledge base on the subject?

The illustration is one of Moscow made in Berlin, Germany. The cut-outs allow light to pass through the card.

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[*] posted on 10/11/2003 at 23:24
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Gary, is it possible to see the back of the card and one or two holes FROM BOTH SIDES under HIGHEST resolution possible?
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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 03:37


Here is the back of the card scanned at 200 dpi.

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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 03:38


Here is a small section from the Kremlin buildings scanned at 600 dpi.

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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 03:40


Here is the same picture inverted. It appears that these cards may have been constructed in 2 parts. The front part containing the picture with "holes" cut out to allow light to pass when shown on the back of the card.

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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 04:52
Still do not undesrstand.


Where the source of light should be located - befind the back or in front of the card under some angle? How do you make those scans? Do you have a scanner that allows to scan transparencies?
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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 05:30


Excellent questions!

The light source must be behind the card. I scanned the card with the lid/top of the scanner open to allow light in.

My scanner can also scan slides or 35mm negative film as well - one by one that is.
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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 05:43
Home-made.


Exactly what I thought. The only thing puzzles me now is why those "lights" are not seen from back - paper in the HOLES is of the same thickness from back as from front. Or you didn't scan the back with the scanner lid open? If not would you please do it WITH THE SAME SOURCE OF EXTERNAL LIGHT AS WHEN YOU SCANNED THE FRONT?

Sorry for being so slow but my idea is that those cards are home-made, you can make one (or one thousand) too - take two identical cards, cut holes in the first one, then glue two cards together - and you'll have that effect. Have you noticed that the "holes" are rather rough and not always agree with the "windows"? Same thing as with the hand-painted cards - you always can see "paint" in the wrong areas if to look under some magnification.
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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 06:04


The holes do not go all the way through the card.

Here is the back of the card weith the lid open.

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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 06:05


And not to ignore St. Petersburg, here is one from that city - front and back. It was used in 1901.

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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 06:07


And the back. Part of the information that appears to be crossed out with a pen may indicate that this was sent from a member of one of the many collectors' clubs of that era.

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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 06:12
Two cards or one?


So the light is not seen from back. Why? As for the holes - if "the theory of two cards" is correct then they [holes] should go all the way through the first card while the second card provides a solid back.
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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 06:32


The light may not be seen from the back because the holes do not go all the way through. It is possibe that there are two parts to these cards, but they are not thick enough to be two cards pasted together.

The term I have seen most associated with these "cutouts" is die-cut. However, a hold-to-light (also known as other names) can have several different views, not all of which are holes. I found some information at the URL listed below. However, I cannot state that it is good, bad, or indifferent.

The cards illustrated here appear to have been manufactured in Berlin, Germany circa 1900 or by a firm doing business in/from Berlin.

http://www.emotionscards.com/museum/holdtolight.html
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[*] posted on 10/12/2003 at 06:57
Different thing


Gary, those cards on that site are different from yours. It reminded me something I do not think is appropriate to post on a public web site. I'll write you a personal message later today.
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[*] posted on 6/19/2004 at 17:10
A nice SPb hold to light card


A very nice example of a St. Petersburg scene.

Enjoy.
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[*] posted on 6/28/2004 at 22:18
Wow!


This is a remarkable subject! A topic I have never heard of before. I hope this will be an article n a future journal!?!?!?!

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(in color of course)

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[*] posted on 6/30/2004 at 12:27


I would love to do it, but I have no references. Perhaps a brief one-page article to see if other members can add information?

There has to be more information available. I just do not know where to look for it, yet.
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[*] posted on 6/30/2004 at 16:53


Who can explain me how all this is related to philately?
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[*] posted on 6/30/2004 at 18:03


Iam,

....how all this is related to philately?

That is easy to explain - it is part of Moscow postmark collection...

And who is avid collector of Moscow postmark?
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[*] posted on 7/2/2004 at 15:45


Iam,

Excellent question. Please send me an email so I have an addressee to send my thoughts.
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[*] posted on 7/17/2004 at 17:47


Iam,

I am still waiting on your email. :(
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[*] posted on 7/17/2004 at 19:48


Interestingly on the back of the last card "Otkrytoe pis'mo" [open letter] was crossed out and added "Pechatnoe proizvedenie" [printed art form] in manuscript
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[*] posted on 7/18/2004 at 06:18
Rates Effected?


Intersting observation on the "name" change for the card. Would that also effect the rate at which the card was sent?

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[*] posted on 7/18/2004 at 17:05


Absolutely. It is like "printed matter/media matter" in its effect on costs.
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[*] posted on 7/26/2004 at 20:34


When you shine light on the scanner the area appears dark on the picture, did you ever notice? That's because the light generated by the lamp inside the scaner is not reflected back (as from the white piece of paper) into the scanner. That's why one can't see the windows from the back of the card. You don't have to hold this card to light. The light is not going through! It is simply painted on the second card to make the 3-D impression.
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