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Reperforated stamps
I'm opening a new discussion: re-perforated stamps.
Can we consider it forgery or repaired stamps?
Here is one example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297937505...
I consider this stamp (Scott 287. perf. 14.5) to be re-perforated from its cheap brother (Scott 287a).
Here is an image:
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Andrey, why do you consider this a reperf? I've tried to put a perf gauge on a number of stamps that fit somewhere in between a number of perf
varieties, but never really considered them being reperfs. Is there something about this stamp that makes you think it has been altered?
Thanks,
Jeff
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MICHAEL MACKENZIE
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Altering a stamp to defraud the buyer constitutes a Forgery.
A repaired stamp returns the stamp to its original state.
Perforating a normally imperf stamp with the intent to sell it as an original perforated stamp follows the first description.
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Good question
Jeff; I second. I've already had a chance to post on this board a suggestion that it's not enough to post a stamp (or postmark or whatever)
and say: "It's a fake" (or reperf or whatever), it's important to EXPLAIN why the person posted it thinks it's a fake, as
detailed as possible. Not everybody has SO EXPERIENCED EYE to see what an expert sees. So it's important to EDUCATE, not only to inform... In
this case TO EXPLAIN how Andrey determined that it's a reperf (just from looking at the screen image, as I understand) would be much help...
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Well, lets start some education....
Back to the stamp in question.
1st, when any stamp had been re-perforated it become to be smaller in size. When you will compare this stamp to genuine 287 or 287a it will be smaller
horizontally and vertically, especially horizontally both margins are narrow).
(In some cases the image can be downloaded and compared to the image of genuine stamps).
2nd and most important, the type of perforation on those stamps were harrow 14:14,5. Take a look at all corners - it is not what is suppose to be.
Holes are not aligned. (see genuine stamp image down below)
3rd, almost all of those stamps (and it is why mint copies are such valuable) were postally used in 1925. Take a look at the cancel. Is it 1927? A
bit late for this stamp to be postally used.
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Continue education....
Another stamp I considered to be re-perforated.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297943027...
This time it is privately re-perforated from its imperforated (much less valuable) version.
Why?
Here is simple answer.
All perf. 12.5 & 13.5 stamps were issued in 1925 without background.
All imperf. stamps were issued in 1926 with light blue background (take a look at Lenin's face - it has to be white on genuine ones and light
blue on fakes ones). There is also light blue background visible on all margins.
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Andrey
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Here is comparison image of all 4 genuine stamps:
Imperforated,
perf 13.5,
perf. 12,5 and
perf. 10.5
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Perforation type
I think at least one thing can be added to Andrey's brilliant analysis of the reperf LIMONKA - the genuine one has what is called COMB
PERFORATION in which case the corners where horisonatl and vertical perforations meet are usually very neat. Look at the corners of that ebay stamp -
it IS NOT COMB PEREFORATION. Compare it with the good one posted by Andrey.
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This seller has a history of questionable material as well. Perhaps that is the first clue?
Andrew's analysis would apply to any stamp and not just the lemonka.
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oldteddy !
Correction: Those stamps have harrow type of perforation not combined.
But as I said and you wrote in different words there - all corners where horisontal and vertical perforations:
1. meet are usually very neat (combined perf.).
2. made are neat (harrow perf.)
That is the difference - harrow perf. all lines of perforation made at the same time !!!
Combined perf. (Russian - "grebenka" - 3 sides of the stamps in one row
perforated, then perf. machinery shifted to the next row of stamps and then 2 row perforated on 3 sides and so on.
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Looks like our "Samovar" works - bid was placed on the 1st item in this tread and lately removed.
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Interesting arithmetic......
Imperforated 10 rub. stamps can be bought for $15.00-$25.00 in mint never hinged original gum condition.
To "make" professionally looking perforation one needs to spent another $10.00-$15.00.
And now not very well knowledgeable novice collector will spend $150.00 for it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297943027...
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GREBENKA
My RUSSO-ENGLISH-FRENCH-GERMAN philatelic dictionary translates GREBENCHATAYA ZUBTSOVKA as COMB PERFORATION, but as long as we're talking about
the same type of perforation - it doesn't matter. So looks like it's not the best dictionary in the world, but we came to the same
conclusion about the corners - they are from the WRONG perforation.
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What do the English language catalogs call it, if anything?
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Stroke: Holes/perforations on all four corners are even.
Line: Holes/perforations on all four corners are uneven.
Scott Specialized Catalog of US Stamps and Covers, 2004.
Would you like the page number?
Or should I scan it and post it?
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Ha Ha! I think we do use other terms?! If you do not know what they are, do not respond.
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MICHAEL MACKENZIE
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Gary, I hope you didn't think I was joking.
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And what shall we call imperf stamps made from perf stamps? Fakes, forgeries, counterfeits or Trash?
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Trimmed trash, I think
 
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And the nice person who is trying to build a good Russian collection bought this forgery "303a" at $212.50.
I'm sorry for you Michael !!!
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And the 1st stamp in this tread - "LIMONKA" closed without any bids.
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About perforation - again
To Michael;
I'm VERY sorry to argue with such an outstanding authority as SCOTT catalog, but there are TWO types of perforation that make even corners. Let
me DESCRIBE them and give RUSSIAN and ENGLISH terms for them TO THE BEST OF my knowledge:
1: Line (LINEYNAYA) perforation - perforation is done first in one direction (horisontal or vertical) and then in another. It makes corners of
UNPREDICATBLE shape - uneaven more often than even.
2: Comb (GREBENCHATAYA) perforation - is being done with a device which has pins arranged as one horisontal line and many short vertical lines - like
a COMB. That device makes perforation ONE ROW AT A TIME ON THREE SIDES and then moves down one row. It leaves TOP corners even and neat and lower
corners not so even, but much better than LINE perforation.
3: Harrow - or "stroke" in Scott terminology (RAMOCHNAYA) perforation - made for the whole sheet at once, with one stroke of the device.
Leaves ALL corners even and neat.
I do not know about US stamps, but MANY Russian stamps, especially of the early period (before 1960) are made with COMB perforation - and it always
stated in Russian catalogs, even general ones.
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MICHAEL MACKENZIE
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READ GARY'S QUESTION OLDTEDDY!
I only answered it, passing no judgement as to the accuracy of the information.
If you want an argument: WRITE THE EDITORS OF SCOTT, not me!
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I've got it!
Thank you, Michael.
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