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lecture.gif posted on 11/6/2004 at 23:03
Nikolaevsk revealed? HUH? Ya, right......


A friend of mine helped me put this together. These are just some of the things that need to be compared on this issue.

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[*] posted on 11/6/2004 at 23:09
How about a cert that tells us?


Yes, I did edit the details that don't matter in this forum.

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[*] posted on 11/6/2004 at 23:10
Close up of the genuine on the cert.




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[*] posted on 11/10/2004 at 15:53


What about these two? Borrowed from Raritan Stamps auciton. No frame break here.

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[*] posted on 11/10/2004 at 15:56


Here is the second one...

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[*] posted on 11/10/2004 at 20:47


In my humble opinion, the frame breaks on the kopeck issues are the easiest way to determine if a stamp should be considered. Mandatory comes to mind if you use the Certificate's description. :pumpup

I do not know about the Ruble or Semi-postal overprint. Does anyone have a picture? :study

Whoops, we aren't talking about that, huh!:devil

Maybe I worked too hard today, but the first image that you posted looks as though the frame on the left hand side as we look at it, is bent! mmmmm
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Can you e-mail me a scan of each at, say, 300dpi or more? :hoho
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[*] posted on 11/10/2004 at 22:51


You are right, it does look that way for the first one. Unfortunately I do not have these stamps and those low resolution scans is all I have...
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hairpull.gif posted on 11/11/2004 at 07:08
BIG SUPRISE!!!!!


:study :study :study

And we thought this was easy.:hair

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Ok, check this out. Here are the 15/50k (barrowed image) and the 15/70k(mine). Sorry, no certs on these, just good provenance.

The 15k and 20k apparently do NOT have the frame breaks. So we need to find any consistancy's here and now.

What is an outstanding feature that you see on the back of the stamp?

Looks like the overprint should create an oily type soak through to me.

What else do you see?

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[*] posted on 11/11/2004 at 13:00


Here is a fake to compare with, although this one is way too crude.

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cool.gif posted on 11/11/2004 at 23:45
I can see clearly now the rain has gone....


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It feels like Christmas has come early this year! Once again, I have had the benifit of some help with this. Thanks again!

Now with some images that we can see. :hop

First off, please note the marks on the back of these stamps. The most important one is that of Mon. Papadopoulus, in red. This is the gentleman that is refered to in Dr. Ceresa's certificate. This is the best mark that this series stamps could have. More on this later.

Second, low and behold, the oily residue on the back appears as suggested earlier. Could this be the "key" to unlocking the Pandora's box? Now what is really interesting to me is that this is the same type of oily residue that is found on the back of Podilia Trident overprints. Is this just a coincidence?

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[*] posted on 11/12/2004 at 11:08


Wasn't there a general tendency at the time to use oil-based ink that penetrated paper in this way? It's also often seen on provisionals.
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study.gif posted on 11/12/2004 at 21:45


To the best of my knowledge, at the beginning of the Great War, Germany stopped exports to Russia. One of the things that Russia imported was black ink. Russia did not have the natural resources to produce a fine black ink.

Thus, as the war dragged on, the stockpile slowly depleted. By the time Russia had left the war, the stockpile was reduced to a few major cities.

Certainly the Provisionals, Tridents and Areas overprints during and after the Civil War prove that this general receipe for black ink was wide spread.

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[*] posted on 11/12/2004 at 22:51


Hey guys!
I think this document can add something to this thread. If somebody has better French then me - please translate. The stamp (10 kop.) BTW has breaks on the left side of the frame. Sorry for large image, but it is relevant.

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[*] posted on 11/15/2004 at 13:54


"We undersigned Rene Andre, Consul of France in Vladivostok, Officer of the Honor Legion (???) certify and attest that the stamp included is of the series issued by ex-Government of Priamur in 1921 for the region of Nikolaevsk-on-Amur (Eastern Siberia).
This [document] is given to Mr. D.Scherbinin, Secretary of the Consulat, who purchased this stamp today at the Direction of Posts at Vladivostok, the Division of stamps removed from circulation.
[The document] issued at Vladivostok on the 5th of December 1922.
The Consul of France"

Quite an interesting piece. I have no idea why the Consul will issue such a document to his Secretary...
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[*] posted on 11/24/2004 at 20:14


:hop So :hop where :hop were :hop we? :hop
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[*] posted on 11/29/2004 at 09:14
I know, how about the front....


As promised.
Sorry about the size, but, I think it's important. One of the things that I noticed right away is the oily residue can be seen on the front of the stamp as well. :o

What else is notable?:study

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[*] posted on 11/29/2004 at 14:23


Sorry, I lost track. These last two are genuine? Frames are quite different..

Here is a new example from ebay by i.stets. Looks quite similiar... Oily residue is there...

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[*] posted on 11/29/2004 at 17:45


One thing I noticed is that all genuine ones listed here have a thin stem 5. Both forgeries have a thicker stem. Also the frame looks a little smaller on this last one.
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[*] posted on 11/30/2004 at 18:37


Here is the back of the last one. Any ideas what are these markings on the back?

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[*] posted on 11/30/2004 at 21:41


Here is a good list of marks. Just a list, nothing more, nothing less.
Please don't confuse it with a list of good marks, or a list of bad marks. It is just a list. Oh, ok. It is just a list with images of marks and certificates!
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http://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesg.html

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[*] posted on 11/30/2004 at 22:03


Could be Karl Hennig. Although this mark doesn't appear on the "list". :hair
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cool.gif posted on 11/30/2004 at 22:09
Three items to consider


The slope of the seriff of the "1". The shape of the "B"s' top curve. The base of the "1". As you said, the width of the 5's stem.

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[*] posted on 12/1/2004 at 15:59


So what is it then, an early reprint? How long was this kind of ink in use?
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[*] posted on 12/2/2004 at 23:39


Alas these remain a mystery.:(
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[*] posted on 12/3/2004 at 08:24
Another donated image.......


This is the back of the 20k/5Rub overprint. I think this is an extreme example of the oily residue, how about you?:hoho

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