The Samovar

Telegraph forgery or what?

oldteddy - 11/30/2006 at 00:12

Two stamps shown are both with wm "carpet", but they have the at least the following differences:

1: The right stamps doesn't have any background to speak of
2: Fonts are different somewhat: compare MOSKVA (Russian version): "c" is san-serif on the left stamps but with serif on the right.

Anything known about varieties or forgeries of this stamp?

Telegraph-forgery.jpg - 277kB

iceserpent - 11/30/2006 at 18:10

Difficult to say for sure if it's a forgery. Might be just a lighter shade of the same stamp - halftone gravure printing tends to prduce "sloppy" image when there's too little ink available.

oldteddy - 11/30/2006 at 21:34

What's about the fonts? Look at "B" in "МОСКВА" - straight on the left stamps and almost "8" on the right stamp, also other characters are different. Could it be explained by underinking also?

iceserpent - 12/1/2006 at 17:00

Maybe somebody who has a selection of those stamps could post some more scans? Then we could compare the fonts and see if the inscription is normally sharp or smudged.

iceserpent - 12/1/2006 at 17:20

I just thought of something - these differences in appearance could be caused by a worn out plate.
Halftone gravure (a.k.a photogravure) is a variation of intaglio printing, i.e. dark parts of the image correspond to etched parts of the plate. The deepest etches provide for the darkest color, more shallow portions provide for lighter shades, and non-etched parts provide for white (non-colored) spots. The printing process itself involves a high pressure press - dampened paper is pressed against the plate, which probably results in plate wearing out after a while.
This wearing out would result in lightly colored areas turning into white spots (shallow etches would disappear) and narrow white spots (like letters) to become smudged/deformed - the edges of the "ridge" that forms a white line would become less sharp, causing a white spot to be outlined with a halftone.

Just an idea...

Gary - 12/3/2006 at 18:42

Is there a fly specker response? Is this just a worn out plate? If so, then there should be other examples? No?:hair

mvarfolo - 4/19/2007 at 20:11

Don't have full sheets of these, unlike may be some, but have a few shade, raster varieties - to me this appears fairly common. May be a few printings were lighter shade alltogether or may be worn out plate. Easy to encounter some in-between shades too.

I lost an auction recently for a rhombus raster, not mentioned by Michel, but is in Lyapin. Now that one was a good stamp, quite rare and had a broken "o" in Moskvo - not mentioned anywhere. should have bid more, eh well :)