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Another dot numeral 1567

David Jay - 4/28/2012 at 01:19

Many of the higher dot numeral cancels of the truncated triangle variety remain unidentified. These were used in villages and post stations. It is nice to see a straight line cancel and dot numeral together, offering the chance to identify the post office where the cancel was used.

This is a 5k PC sent 3 April (according to ms date on the reverse)
to Moscow. The message in German is an inquiry about machinery. It was delivered 4 April in Moscow, raising the strong suspicion that the office is in Moscow Province. The S.L. cancel appears to say:
stan ????? mosKva/gyb aprila 3d 1875

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1567 dot numeral

David Jay - 4/28/2012 at 01:25

Blowing up the S.L cancel doesn't help a lot. Based on the fact that the dispatch location is given as "Troitska", and that there
was a Pocht Operatsia in a place with a similar in Podolosk. Y. in 1912, it seems we should search for a Post Station nearby.
This is south of Moscow in Moscow province. The letters corresponding to the name don't give us much help.
The last two might be "i" and "ts". On that basis, I'll guess that the location is P.S. Golits(inskaya) in Zvenigorod Y., which is bit to the west.

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the cancel

David Jay - 4/28/2012 at 01:26

Here is the cancel

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Maxime Citerne - 4/28/2012 at 02:27

Hello David,

are you sure that it is a number 1567?

I see a clear 'loop' on the upper part of the second number... To me it looks dangerously as a '3' ... So it would rather be #1367


David Jay - 4/28/2012 at 12:44

You may be right. Still it is unknown. I also should have said that Golitsin was ostensibly opened in 8/1875,
while this was sent in 4/1875. However, a "3" and "8" are also easily confused when squinting at old listings.
A high number like either 1367 and 1567 had to have been opened quite late in the game. These marks were withdrawn in 1877. Numbers were allocated until 1875. Numbers are known up to the low 1600s, but only
three above 1367 and none above 1444 have been identified, apparently.

howard - 4/29/2012 at 08:13

The two line postmark reads: stan troitskoe kal gub ... A postal station opened in Troitskoe in Kaluga province in Dec. 1874. According to my notes, this postal station has previously been identified as using number 1387, which makes more sense than 1367 in terms of other identified numbers and relative opening dates. So I think what looks like a six is really an eight. The highest allotted number was in the very low 1500s. The reports of higher numbers are all misreads.

David Jay - 4/29/2012 at 20:27

Howard -- thank you. Could be an "8"? How solid are the previous identifications?