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[*] posted on 7/1/2007 at 16:43


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[*] posted on 7/1/2007 at 16:49


Well that about all;For today :)
Looklike " I " finaly busted my scanner :mad:
Sorry " Guys " ... Some other days...Apolozies :cool:
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[*] posted on 7/1/2007 at 17:40


The first cover looks like it was run through a meter and then parts of a second meter was cut out and pasted on it. The circular date cutout may be covering the circular date part of the original meter.
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[*] posted on 7/1/2007 at 17:55


The second (Mena, Ukraine) looks like the 300 krb. air rate to non-CIS countries valid from 30 Aug 1993 to 5 Dec 1993.

What is the date on the postmark - 13 Oct 93?

The Soviet stamp would have no value.

I think it would be better to have placed these covers in separate threads to make it easier to comment.
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[*] posted on 7/2/2007 at 09:28


Quote:
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The first cover looks like it was run through a meter and then parts of a second meter was cut out and pasted on it. The circular date cutout may be covering the circular date part of the original meter.


:) Yes kind of mine thinking - Althrough " I " saw it like - Bad day - Run Out of Ink for the Meter ... Nevermind we will " Photocopy " and " Cut-Out " some of the (Already Recieved Letter ... s) ... Applied the " Cut-Out " and post the danm thing (More than lickly the postage is pay by the local state etc ... On Monthly or other basics.
Original letter was from or what appear to be " University " of something.
P.s...Forgotten in the previous post - The " Cut-Out " have been photocopies (Doutful althrough " I " haven`t any info - These could have been made " Localy " at the post)
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[*] posted on 7/2/2007 at 09:29


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Originally posted by jlechtanski
The second (Mena, Ukraine) looks like the 300 krb. air rate to non-CIS countries valid from 30 Aug 1993 to 5 Dec 1993.

What is the date on the postmark - 13 Oct 93?

The Soviet stamp would have no value.

I think it would be better to have placed these covers in separate threads to make it easier to comment.


Yes the date is correct.
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[*] posted on 7/2/2007 at 18:04


Hi, Leroux.

Your first example does raise some suspicions :-)

First of all the rate. 900 + 750 = 1650 does not correspond with any tariff I know within the given timeframe (late 1994). This letter abroad should have been franked 1200 rubles.

However, given the 900 rubles meter (if my eyes do not deceive me) this letter could have been sent earlier and by air mail. Between 05.01.1994 and 12.01.1994 the going rate for airmail abroad was 900 rubles. But then again, I do not see any airmail markings. Is there an arrival postmark on the back?

And those 750 rubles? That was the rate for registered mail within the Russian federation between 05.15.1995 and 11.01.1995...

And why would anyone paste a postmark cut-out on a cover? The ink shortage theory seems unlikely since they would have had to destroy another letter that was ready to be sent the very same day (say, of the previous customer):D

But you do raise an interesting question. Does anyone know of recorded ink shortages in Russian postal history? If so, how did the postal authorities deal with that ?




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[*] posted on 7/2/2007 at 20:14


kiompie as far as " I`m " aware - Since these (My Understanding) the post is from a " University " the rate may have been somehow of various level - And for " Air Mail " ... Perhaps " Hand written " next to the UK Adress.
There is not other " Marking " ... So no date of arrivals - Seem to be the case for most (UK Unregistered Covers) that " I " got.
Interestingly " I " got fews from this erea (All got the same postage) which is 1650R to UK Adresses - Same time frame - More or less (Sadly can`t make scans - Scanner freezed on me - The mecanical parts broked) till " I " can get another - Can`t provide futher additionals info (Visual) ...
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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 04:56


Leroux, it is too bad you cannot show more examples. It is true that there are "academic rates" but I would have thought them to be cheaper than the ordinary rates... But then again, I am still a novice so it is quite possible that I am missing something.



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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 08:37


kiompie - Same here " Novice " Is my name to :)
Anyhow ... Collected massive amount of materials in the early years - Got seriously busy (Private life and Work) so,philately got side line.Now,I am back with a little moe time ... So novice for me to :)
I have already scans some Ukr Covers ... Will bring some up - As soon as possible - Althrough still planning to have a dedicated forum for such materials - With entry " Only " if members of " Sister Society " ... Got to save " Our Sister Society " ... Like Rossica - BSRP - WSRP and fews others.
http://www.rossica.org/Samovar/viewthread.php?tid=1657
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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 12:45


I have not seen a 1650 rate either.

One thing that would be useful is a list of the various rates post-1991.

I have taken some notes over the years and can post what I know.

I have rate changes for:
1992 Jan 2, Feb 1, Feb 18, Jun 10, Jun 24, Jul 6, Nov 4, Dec 12
1993 Mar 1, Apr 26, May 15, Jun 23, Jul 15, Aug 2, Aug 10, Aug 30, Dec 20
1994 Jan 10, Apr 25, Jul 1, Dec 1
1995 Mar 1, May 15, Nov 1
1996 Jan 1, Mar 30, Nov 5
1997 Jan 1, Nov 10
1998 Jan 1, Nov 1
1999 Feb 1, Oct 10
2000 etc.

I do not have records of where I found this information. Does it look complete?

As I said, if it looks complete I can post it and we can make additions and changes to it. We could make notes like Leroux' 1650 letters from late 1994.
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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 15:49


Okay, jlechtanski,

Here is what I gleaned from the Michel catalogue, Russian Federation rates:

1992: Jan 1, Feb 1, June 10, Dec 10 (domestic)
1993: April 26, Aug 2 (domestic)
1994: Jan 1, July 1, Dec 20 (domestic)
1995: May 15, Nov 1 (domestic)
1996: March 30, Nov 5 (domestic)
1997: Nov 10 (domestic)

1992: Jan 1, Feb 2, June 10, Dec 10 (Republics)
1993: Feb 15, June 23, Dec 20 (Republics)
1994: May 1, Dec 1 (Republics)
1995: March 1 (Republics)
1996: Jan 1 (Republics)
1997: Jan 1 (Republics)

1992: Jan 1, Feb 18, July 10, Dec 10 (abroad)
1993: Feb 15, June 23, Dec 20 (abroad)
1994: May 1, Dec 1 (abroad)
1995: March 1 (abroad)
1996: Jan 1 (abroad)
1997: Jan 1 (abroad)




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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 15:56


And for Ukraine so far I have:

1992: Jan 2 (domestic + abroad), May 10 (domestic), July 9 (abroad)
1993: Jan 1 (domestic + abroad), May 1 (domestic), July 15 (abroad, close), Aug 30 (abroad, far away), Sept 10 (domestic), Dec 6 (domestic)




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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 16:59


Wow! I didn't know the Michel had rates. Does it have rates from the 1920s to the 1980s?

My notes seem close to Michel. Since I already have them on the PC, I will go ahead and post them for all to see and use.

Hopefully there won't be too many errors to correct.
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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 17:37


I have placed my notes in the Postal History - Rates forum.
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[*] posted on 7/3/2007 at 19:32
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"Does it have rates from the 1920s to the 1980s?"

Yes, you need to consult the Michel stationery catalogue:

"Ganzsachen-Katalog Europa Ost"

As soon as I have some time, I'll post their data.




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[*] posted on 7/4/2007 at 05:00


I think it would be better to have placed these several topics in separate threads to make it easier to follow and to comment. I would like to contribute but to cover everything would be too time-consuming.
Placing details of postage rates in the separate "Postage Rates" folder is most welcome.
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[*] posted on 7/4/2007 at 09:24


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Originally posted by Leroux
kiompie as far as " I`m " aware - Since these (My Understanding) the post is from a " University " the rate may have been somehow of various level - And for " Air Mail " ... Perhaps " Hand written " next to the UK Adress.
There is not other " Marking " ... So no date of arrivals - Seem to be the case for most (UK Unregistered Covers) that " I " got.
Interestingly " I " got fews from this erea (All got the same postage) which is 1650R to UK Adresses - Same time frame - More or less (Sadly can`t make scans - Scanner freezed on me - The mecanical parts broked) till " I " can get another - Can`t provide futher additionals info (Visual) ...


Ok quick check reveal - Same Size of letter to Uk from same erea (Same scan provided - Novosibirsk ... As follow.
* 07.12.94 = 1650R (No Other Info)
* 08.12.94 = 1650 R (No Other Info) - Another letter.
* 16.03.95 = 1500R (No Other Info) ... Month appear to be 3
* 04.04.95 = 1900R (No Other Info)
* 07.07.95 = 1900R (No Other Info)
* 23.05.97 = 3000R (On Air Mail Letter)
* 31.05.97 = 3500R (Air Mial - Hand Written)
Small Size - Soviet Sytle.
* 31.03.95 = 1450R (No Other Info)
Larger Size Letter (Same Erea) ... Avg 6.5x9 inches or 16x23cm
* 04.07.95 - (No Other Mark) - 1500R
* 19.07.95 - Air Mail Mark = 1900R
* 04.04.96 - Air Mail Mark = 3000R
That was a " Quick Check " for this part of " Russia " ... If that help.
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[*] posted on 7/4/2007 at 09:30


That 1650 rate must be the "organization rate." Organizations paid a higher rate than ordinary citizens.

At least that seems to be the case for the several rates I have in the 1990s rate charts.

The key is to check if the cover is from an individual or an organization.
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[*] posted on 7/4/2007 at 11:04


Quote:
Originally posted by jlechtanski
That 1650 rate must be the "organization rate." Organizations paid a higher rate than ordinary citizens.

At least that seems to be the case for the several rates I have in the 1990s rate charts.

The key is to check if the cover is from an individual or an organization.


As far as " I " can make it up - It was a fast check - Most if not all - Are for what " Appears " unversity Related Mails " ...
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