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[*] posted on 2/26/2008 at 18:30
Used or mint? Which ones are valid?


In a thread located at http://www.rossica.org/Samovar/viewthread.php?tid=1895

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Stamps has to be genuinely used. If they are mint, we cannot prove that stamps were not perforated couple minutes ago.


Is it possible this could also be said for mint stamps with overprints as well? If not used, how do we know they are good? ;)
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[*] posted on 2/27/2008 at 00:31


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In a thread located at http://www.rossica.org/Samovar/viewthread.php?tid=1895

the statement was made
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Originally posted by igorfmyask
Stamps has to be genuinely used. If they are mint, we cannot prove that stamps were not perforated couple minutes ago.


Is it possible this could also be said for mint stamps with overprints as well? If not used, how do we know they are good? ;)


We can compare overprints with genuine ones but we cannot compare perf if it is private. For example, russphil was selling perforated Denikin 2 & 7 rub. stamps that were never issued. He could call this perforation private and it is really private because perforation was russphil production.
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[*] posted on 2/27/2008 at 18:13


Rusphil is but one crook out there. Please chase your man elsewhere.

There are many overprints that are not within your area of proclaimed expertise. My premise is that mint stamps with overprints/surcharges created during a period of equipment malfunction, lack of quality inks, turbulent times, etc. are difficult at best to verify on loose stamps, strips, blocks, sheets, etc. They must be compared against verified postally-used examples. Simply because an item is on cover does not mean it is valid. Please see some of the Wrangel overprints on cover that are as bogus as a US $3-dollar bill. Please see some of the Georgia items on cover as well. Ukraine is a totally different issue.

One can own a million copies of any item, but that does not mean that the million that person owns are real.;)
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[*] posted on 2/28/2008 at 21:41


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Originally posted by Gary
There are many overprints that are not within your area of proclaimed expertise. My premise is that mint stamps with overprints/surcharges created during a period of equipment malfunction, lack of quality inks, turbulent times, etc. are difficult at best to verify on loose stamps, strips, blocks, sheets, etc.


We have some tools like computer microscopes, magnifiers with scale, spectroscopes, etc. Of course it is necessary to have very good reference collection in addition. You can compare font, space between lines (Kuban issue), overprint size and so on. There are secret marks sometimes (Bermont-Avalov, North West Army). Of course you have to spend a lot of time studying stamps, mail, documents, etc.

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They must be compared against verified postally-used examples.


Ideal situation is to have verified mint stamps in full sheets.

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Simply because an item is on cover does not mean it is valid. Please see some of the Wrangel overprints on cover that are as bogus as a US $3-dollar bill. Please see some of the Georgia items on cover as well. Ukraine is a totally different issue.


You are right.
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