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[*] posted on 3/8/2010 at 00:57
1936 Pioneer 15kop shades


I was browsing a dealers stock at our last stamp show and came across this Redder Brown shade of the '36 Pioneer set (Perf 11). this is one of the few Ive ever seen. And its not listed in Liapin. Any comments? rarity? whats the deal here?
the set also had a cotton paper, so I was pleased.
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[*] posted on 3/12/2010 at 01:16


Actually In comparing the two stamps I was trying to point out the difference in ink: one is red brown and the other is black brown. Ive only seen 2 in the redish color. Have others seen this difference. I think this is one of two Ive seen over 15 years of collecting.
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[*] posted on 3/15/2010 at 00:51


Ive looked over the backs of these two stamps and the paper appears to be a lightish cream on both. so the color difference appears to be in the ink. I see nothing in Liapin about this. Curious....
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[*] posted on 4/22/2010 at 09:27


Im assumng that this is a shade variation. Does anyone have any SHADE information on this stamp? I see nothing on it in Liapin. odd......
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[*] posted on 5/3/2010 at 09:31


No Reply? Michael? Gary?
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[*] posted on 5/9/2010 at 01:14


This stamp exists on white, creamy and cotton paper. Looks like your left stamp is on creamy paper and right one is on white. If back of the stamp "partially see through" - it is a cotton paper (hard to find on 15 kop.)
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[*] posted on 5/9/2010 at 12:49


Hello Greg: here is the front of each stamp in shade direction
least to most brown. I will show the backs in te same order
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[*] posted on 5/9/2010 at 13:13


Dave,

Based on scans none of these stamps is a cotton paper. Last stamp (right stamp) looks like cream paper. Left and center stamp are color variations of the 15 kopek stamp on white paper.

Some catalogs list color variations, for example Standard COllection (Zagorsky) specialized, Part 5, 1923-1940 lists:

Perf 11: olive brown (#440), brown (#440a) and red brown (#440b)
Perf 13 3/4 (perf 14 in some catalogs): olive brown (#440A) and black-brown (#440Aa).

Also, as a reference, see below back of 15 kopek stamp on cotton paper. Notice "see through" effect of the image.

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[*] posted on 5/9/2010 at 20:40


Thanks Greg!! I figured I didnt have the Cotton Paper 15kop as I DO have a 2kop I think and as yoiu show above, THE COLOR COMES SCREAMING THRU THE BACK......
And here I thought Liapin had most of the answers! Is there ANY ENGLISH in Zagorsky? Are the shades valued differently? Id never seen one before and it immediately caught my eye. (even thought the set was LH)
many thanks again Greg. Youve been a great help (as always...)
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[*] posted on 5/11/2010 at 13:27
Color variations and "creamy" paper


Attached is scan of color variations 8 stamps on "white" paper and 11 on "creamy" paper. The former go from an olive brown to various tints of brown. The latter go from a distinct red brown to shades of brown to chestnut. Clearly differentiating the two types of papers in most cases may be dillusional. Unless the stamp is post office fresh 75 years of storage in multiple environments inevitably will produce changes both man made and natural in paper and gum usually toward the less white variation. I looked at each paper variety to see if there were any objective distinguishing differences. All stamps are printed on faintly horizontal mesh paper(as in Scott 177,78,79). Thickness is about 0.085 mm plus or minus 0.002-3 on gummed stamps. Thus no help here!



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[*] posted on 5/12/2010 at 08:30
Finally. Pioneer shades. Two posts forthcoming. One white, one creamy paper


Thanks to Gary Combs for assistance on resizing for submission....
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[*] posted on 5/12/2010 at 10:48
Shades again-


Sorry folks-this is as frustrating for you as me!!! Sizing less than 2000 X 2000.

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[*] posted on 5/12/2010 at 10:49
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[*] posted on 5/21/2010 at 21:03


Many thanks to Cec71! great scans and an eye opener for many Im sure! I had no idea all these shades were out there!
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